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My Conversation With Lloyd Korn About Private Servers

Posted by Savage On March - 31 - 2009

NOTE: This is in no way, shape, or form an interview. Information in this article was allowed to be used from an email in an effort to express NEXON’s side of the story.

I’ve had the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Lloyd Korn, the General Counsel of NEXON America Inc via email recently. I first spoke with Mr. Korn over the phone when we received a fake DMCA letter in December of 2008. I have spoken to him numerous times both over the phone and the internet since then. I decided to send him an email asking if he had anything to say in response to the recent Private Server closings to calm down the community.

Many of the comments have become violent and threatening. I for one respect a person’s opinion, but when someone resorts to threats and violence, they’ve gone too far. I’ll start by saying that I too have played MapleStory, longer than many of the people who choose to complain and threaten. Myself and many of the Maple-News staff have played since the early days of MapleGlobal beta and still continue to play. We do have our ideas of what can be improved and what we dislike about the game, but we choose to express ourselves in a positive manner. Now, I remain unbiased in the NEXON vs. Private Servers battle and debate. I see points on both sides, but the comments I have read are dispicable. It makes me ashamed to be part of this community when kids my own age or younger think they can threaten the lives of people without having to answer for it. These people need to get their morals straight and need to learn how to show respect for others and themselves.

Now, why am I telling you all this? I cannot reveal the whole email as it is against confidentiality, but I am allowed to reveal what Mr. Korn wished me to say. In response to those of you who threaten the lives of workers, the FBI will be paying you a visit. Don’t believe me? Here’s an excerpt from the email:

I too have been receiving violent and threatening e-mails. I’ve been forwarding them to the agents I’ve been working with at the FBI so tell these children to warn their parents that the FBI may soon be paying them a visit. The FBI takes these e-mail threats very seriously and will deal with them accordingly. I’ve also pointed them to the forums with the threatening chatter so they should take care of those people too.

Those who have chosen to engage in immoral activities as stated above will face consequences. Just because you dislike the company running a video game does not give you the right to threaten the lives of people. Those who think they are safe on the internet are mistaken. The FBI has ways of tracking you down.

Mr. Korn also went on to say that they plan to crack down more on Private Servers and hackers. NEXON has a plan up their sleeve to help to deter hacking attempts in MapleGlobal. I don’t know what it is, but it seems promising. Private Server owners will not be dealt with so leniently, so be warned that you are participating in illegal activity and NEXON intends to use the law to it’s full extent.

Lloyd also responded briefly to everyone who is upset regarding the recent Private Server closings.

Sorry to crush the hopes and dreams of so many, but people should understand that if they knowingly engage in wrongful activity, they should take responsibly for their actions and accept the consequences. Some have, but a lot more haven’t. That’s a part of growing up that frankly I don’t think a lot of these kids get. Personally, I think we’ve been too lenient with people so far. That may change soon.

The reality is that no matter what you say or do, Private Servers are illegal. There are many viewpoints on both sides regarding the morality of things and I really get that everyone is upset with how the official versions are turning out. Ultimatley, NEXON develops the game and updates it. Without them, there wouldn’t be a MapleStory to play. You wouldn’t have Private Servers. Private Servers are like programs and websites that steal music from musicians. Being a musician myself, I can relate to NEXON’s point of view of wanting to have their work respected and guarded. I can also relate to the Private Servers point of view, but in the end it’s illegal to run a Private Server because you are stealing their intellectual property, like stealing an idea from someone and using it as your own. Looking at things from a completely unbiased and logical point of view, you’re risking your parent’s financial safety (if you are sued, your parents will have to pay for any fines) and your future. It’s a game, let’s keep it that way.

All this insanity over the past few months: the threats, the insults, the blatant disregard for human emotions, safety, and respect needs to stop. This is absolutely ridiculous. It’s shocking to myself and others that people will easy go as far as threatening the lives of people over a computer game. It’s disgraceful and reflects badly on yourselves and our generation as a whole. If you want the game to change, email NEXON, post on the forums, do what you can to change it if you want it that badly. Threats don’t work, if anything it makes people even more unwilling to please you and is probably why many of the things you want, haven’t happened. Use your heads guys and act maturely for once.

95 Responses so far
  1. Impulse Said,

    LOLOLOL. I really think Lloyd is right because this is illegal either way. People may do it for like good reasons, but it is still ILLEGAL. Thanks for Posting this people need to know that the FBI can and most likely will start showing up places.

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 3:34 pm

  2. John Said,

    I’ve always wanted to meet and FBI agent. BRING IT NEXON!

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  3. Ryan Said,

    I also think private servers are illegal. It’s not even fun playing them. >.>

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pm

  4. Tristan Said,

    Haha. The FBI? That’s hilarious. Obviously the death threats are sent by immature kids and probably aren’t very harmful. o-o I really wonder, with all those other better things the FBI could be doing, why they would waste their time with OBVIOUSLY non-harmful emails that really have no truth to them? “sorry.”? SORRY? Oh please, you aren’t sorry, don’t tell lies. Lying is bad. :[

    The thing is that private servers will probably always exist so Nexon should try to find the root of the problem (themselves). Just saying that private servers are illegal either way won’t convince anyone anything. The root of the problem is that people play private servers because the real game isn’t fun enough. So maybe Nexon should start listening to those “good reasons” and maybe taking some of those reasons into consideration and adding them to the game.

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pm

  5. mastrali Said,

    ya i guess this points us to square one again. i am impressed that you got to talk with Lloyd but i think we all knew what he would say. FBI, immature children, blah blah blah. i already get stopped fer a “random” check when i arrive at an international airport so FBI doesn’t surprise me. i guess the only way ta change things is ta get nexon to do stuff differently.

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pm

  6. Roflcopter Said,

    ip tracking D:
    A worker, sue-er, child rapist(from xtreme top 100), and now a stalker

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 6:50 pm

  7. Mapleforest Said,

    OOO Yipee, now then, there’s the karma I was talking about.

    Posted on March 31st, 2009 at 11:54 pm

  8. GoOdAsHeLl Said,

    FBI?i’m kinda scared of them but i might be able to beat them.i’m 6-10in tall 305lbs.-_-

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 3:20 am

  9. yoGABBAGABBA Said,

    aren’t u fat or obese?305lbs?who cares about the FBI there only in for crimes.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 3:22 am

  10. GoOdAsHeLl Said,

    uh no i’m not obese or anything.i’m just in wrestling group.oh how do u contact NEXON?

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 3:25 am

  11. SingIish Said,

    yay fbi!

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 5:43 am

  12. KuroKami Said,

    I am an ex-desu ms’er i had 120 rebirths. i really am very disspoiinted at nexon for what theyve done. firstly, id like to go through some basic arguments and say my opinion about all this.
    firstly, the reason why nexon cant lower their rates is because it would be VERY asshole-ish to all those who have wasted all their time getting to high lvl’s, also maple would be overrun by high lvl noobs,(noobs is one of the things maple is notorious for,) so they should just let private servers keep running, but that would mean less customers for them; so in my opinion nexon itself should host its own private server, but if they did that the real maple would die, since everybody would migrate. there isnt an easy
    solution to this.
    secondly, from my own experience *ive been mapling for…4 years now? i have 2 lvl 80’s in nexon MS* Global MS has virtually NO help, NO customer service, NO GM’s, NO events, no nothing, from my personal experience, private servers are way better managed, more enjoyable and more everything than real maple.
    Desuer and Desu Player have some very good points, DesuMaple was probably my favorite private server, no lagg, perfect rates, perfect item prices, everything was great.
    the reason nexon MS is still in the “buisness” is because the noobs that join the real MS arent informed on private servers and arent aware on how to use them. i was amazed when i first discovered private servers, but it took me long to find out; i was trying to fidn out how to hack, because i had grown tired to lvlin when i saw a post “why hack, when u can just play in a private server?” that lead me to HopeMS, and thats where i started.

    summing up, in my opinion, the best way for us to combat nexon is to get private servers running somewhere they wont be able to do anyhting about it, like in the middle east for example, and manage it from far, sort of organize all the private server lovers and do this. AND the MOST IMPORTANT PART: making Global MS’ers aware of private servers, and making them simple, and easy to work with. the way to do this would be to get support from famous websites like besilmarket, and hidden-street, they would diffuse the info fast. another good way would be spamming on normal maple.
    if we could get enough maplers to leave maple and join our side, soon nexon would be loosing out and they would have to do something about it, something BIG, because real nexon really needs to change, because once people see private servers, global MS is just a boring game with no support or gm’s.
    i think this is all possible, and lastly, RIP to desu-ms and to Kyra-ms.
    and if anybody from nexon reads this, take this all into consideration, try out a private server, and think logically, its WAY better than real ms. teleport NPC’s, rebirths, fast lvl’ing, the fact you can buy lots of stuff at npc’s, there are GM’s always online and interacting with players, and much more.
    RIP GLOBAL MS.

    i agree, though. i really think being violent isnt the way to do this. but there has to be something that can be done, so that maplers can enjoy maple. what if they do it witough donation? wouldnt the be non-profit? there has to be a legal way to get though this. or maple itself should consider making high-exp servers? such a complicated issue.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 12:00 pm

  13. Savage Said,

    @KuroKami All your points are related to how people feel about the game. Looking at things from a lawful and unbiased point of view, it’s illegal. There’s no arguing that it’s not.

    If you don’t like the official version, you can always quit. No one is forcing anyone to play.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 3:26 pm

  14. KuroKami Said,

    i did, i dont play anymore, what i mean is that the pirate versions are overall better, and i see your point but for real fans, there should be a way to enjoy the private servers, i know that there probably isnt, but dammit, i just wana maple!

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 3:42 pm

  15. Savage Said,

    A lot of people feel the way you do. But from what I’ve read, everyone seems threatened by NEXON shutting the private servers down. Maybe if NEXON implements some of the changes such as more active GM’s and more 2x EXP events as a show of good faith, the private server users would return and private servers wouldn’t be needed.

    The only way I see for users to return to GMS is if some of their suggestions are added soon…but I don’t think NEXON is taking down servers just because they want users back. It’s because they don’t like servers stealing their Intellectual Property.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 4:45 pm

  16. GoOdAsHeLl Said,

    kurikami.i’ll rather u play sydneyMS its choke better than desuMS.i meant 500exp,10000messos,50drop rate.and other good things better than desu.if possible playing sydneyMS add me xQuYx.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 5:14 pm

  17. Somebody Said,

    I fully agree with this. There’s no justifying a private server, they’re illegal. As for the death threats? Yeah, with that many flooding in there are going to be some 13 year olds that just dislike him so they send something. Then there may be that mentally unstable 25 year old who found comfort in a private server and does decide to go after Mr. Korn. You can’t be too careful.

    All in all? Yeah, shut them down. If I owned a game, I wouldn’t want people stealing it and “reselling” it for their own gain. (Think donations.) If NEXON wants to go as far as take the hardware that was illegally purchased by the illegal donations from the illegal private server, then they should.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pm

  18. KuroKami Said,

    somebody, thats true, but i mean, if people were bitching about my game as much as ppl bitch about private server MS, and i noticed the amount of potential profit in changing the game i would. this is just made up, but from my personal experience im guessing more than half the maplers quit before lvl 40, it nexon changed, people would maple much more and they would get more profit. the demand is all for private servers now adays, and since people have noticed that, they spawn everywhere. nexon is trying to monopolize maple, but GMS simply cant susbstitute private servers. if nexon changed a bit, it would make all the private servers shut down simply because real maple is the same!
    but its true and there is no denying that its illegal. and a question: sindneyMS has been one of the most popular private servers, how come its never gotten shut down?

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pm

  19. AVIVT7 Said,

    I like his name Korn :D

    he should be the manager of the band :P

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

  20. Tharticus Said,

    What Nexon does is a business. It does what it wants freely, even taking out popular private servers because it makes a “dent” on their profits.

    In case, I sensed a missed opportunity for Nexon to draw back it’s previous users. Unfortunately, Nexon decides to take down private servers because it’s their intellectual property. They could have improved the game and be the best.

    Of course, new players are getting better treatments recently than in the past.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

  21. smiles Said,

    I have one problem with Nexon’s argument… under which law specifically are they prosecuting private servers under? Because if it’s under the DMCA, Nexon is helpless if private servers are hosted outside of anti-circumvention laws. Sure, intellectual property laws exist worldwide, but they have limits. There are instances when intellectual property can be distributed widely without prosecution.

    According to what I’ve heard, on a private server, the server itself doesn’t contain anything stolen. It doesn’t even contain anything that really has to do with Nexon. The only thing remotely close to being illegal is the client we download to connect to a server, but that could be shared without help of a server. In a way, a private server itself is like a medium, much like The Pirate Bay.

    Yet The Pirate Bay was never shut down despite all the legal threats they receive, meaning pretty much all the lawsuit threats they get are just scary letters.

    It’s kinda imaginative, but I’m kinda thinking that Nexon is more likely using a scare tactic than anything else :/

    Ah well.

    Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 10:23 pm

  22. Anonymouss Said,

    I think at least they should maybe reconstruct their game and make it like Steam ie: CounterStrikeSource and make pickable servers with good admins. I mean, then you could go into any rate you’d like, without the hassle of finding a new private server or making one because the DMCA is just stupid and should die.

    Posted on April 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 am

  23. Desu Ms player Said,

    I got a good question for Nexon. If we ask then if we can make a private server, and they say yes(not very likely), is it legal to make it?

    Posted on April 2nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm

  24. HumanPlague Said,

    I like how after the kids were called imature, they continue to tell the federal agencies to screw off and die.

    -Sigh-
    That’s the American youth alright.

    C’mon kids. Let’s try to be mature here?

    Posted on April 2nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm

  25. You Said,

    if nexon could just do a patch about taking the unused npcs and all the other unneeded parts then it would be less laggy and more people wont quit.

    Posted on April 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm

  26. Iris Said,

    “if nexon could just do a patch about taking the unused npcs and all the other unneeded parts then it would be less laggy and more people wont quit.”

    People quit more due to the EXP rate than the lagginess, and it doesn’t have much to do with NPC files stored on your computer to create lag either. It has more to do with their servers, how busy they are, Internet connection, and how good your computer’s hardware is.

    I agree entirely with Mr.Lloyd Korn though.
    He’s an intelligent man, that does his job well.

    Nexon has enough money to send the FBI out to people, It doesn’t take much to send one to your door and speak to you and/or your parents about sending threatening letters off to people, and having them explain the laws of intellectual property.

    Nexon is right. Private server owners are wrong.
    Nexon is a business. Private servers are an illegal creation.

    - Admin Iris

    Posted on April 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 pm

  27. Anon Said,

    Wouldn’t it be fair to say Private Servers and NEXON are all butthurt?

    Posted on April 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am

  28. Disappointed Said,

    Nexon making a better way to stop hackers? Please. Let’s get real. If you haven’t noticed, Nexon feeds off hackers. For God’s sake, they made a cash item just for them. Nexon has been running on the same shitty gameguard for 4 years and you think this new guy is going to do anything about it? Hell no, that would cost them money.

    I lol’d at the FBI thing, however much it may be true, but just the fact of imagining that the FBI doesn’t have anything better to do while we’re still in war makes me chuckle.

    Oh, by the way, you cannot relate to Nexon’s situation because it is so much more different than yours. When you say stealing music, you’re implying that someone is taking it for their own and pirating it on the streets. Limewire and pirating are two different things. As for the private servers, their hardly making money off of Nexon and it has been modified to suit the needs of whoever wishes to play on that server. Ah, see that’s the illegal part of the issue, now isn’t it? Wait a second, once again, this has to do with money. Nexon has obviously been planning an attack like this on private servers for a while. They have had the capabilities to do everything that every GMS player has been waiting for the whole time and we know it. We’re talking about a company that makes millions of dollars a year, and you’re telling me that they can’t make their game impossible to recode? Do you know how easy it was for those beginning private servers to repack that shit?

    Kinda reminds me of our own Government, how about you?

    Posted on April 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

  29. Tristan Said,

    Yes, Nexon, spend all your money during this economic recession on FBI agents! Oh no! Mass arresting of young children!

    Posted on April 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm

  30. Tristan Said,

    smiles and disappointed FTW — Please read their comments :D

    Posted on April 3rd, 2009 at 9:59 pm

  31. Abel Said,

    “A lot of people feel the way you do. But from what I’ve read, everyone seems threatened by NEXON shutting the private servers down. Maybe if NEXON implements some of the changes such as more active GM’s and more 2x EXP events as a show of good faith, the private server users would return and private servers wouldn’t be needed.

    The only way I see for users to return to GMS is if some of their suggestions are added soon…but I don’t think NEXON is taking down servers just because they want users back. It’s because they don’t like servers stealing their Intellectual Property.”

    Are you kidding? Of course it’s because they want users back. Look at World of Warcraft. There’s a TON of private servers out there, yet they haven’t taken action against the private servers beyond what they did just before WoTLK’s release.

    Granted, though, they have millions of users playing the retail servers. Let’s look at Ragnarok Online, then. There’s hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of private servers out there, yet Gravity hasn’t done one thing against them.

    Nexon is just butthurt that private servers, whether stealing their game or not, are more appealing to users than the official servers. That’s all there is to it.

    Posted on April 4th, 2009 at 5:23 am

  32. FFFFFFFFFFFFFF Said,

    First off, every retard going “Private servers are illegal” and “Nexon is omfg right” is a complete dumb ass. Emulation is more then legal, the only thing that Nexon is crying over is a shitty client, which can easily be won over in court but noone wants to take the chance to. Nexon can’t do shit and are just trying to bluff their way to success as they are a bunch of Illiterate unprofessional dumbasses.

    Posted on April 4th, 2009 at 9:31 am

  33. FFFFFFFFFFFFFF Said,

    Also with the economy crash thats going on right now, I bet you if the OdinMS developers go into court, the court won’t give a shit about some 100 billion dollar company crying over something leaked all over the internet by them. They should protect their own shit properly.

    Posted on April 4th, 2009 at 9:45 am

  34. Impulse Said,

    DAAAAAYYYUM Only if this feed back went to Ossyriasgate.co.cc -_- the website is filled while the forums are empty.

    Posted on April 4th, 2009 at 10:58 am

  35. SlimShady Said,

    It’s boring with the police 5o i don’t give a fuck about a FBI agent lol who cares

    Posted on April 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

  36. Kiel Said,

    Nexon & the FBI got a lot of time on their hands to go around sueing 12-yo girls.

    Awesome.

    Posted on April 4th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

  37. seryi Said,

    thx I lold
    yes they are right… PS are illegal but they will not do a shit to close all servers… only in their dreams.
    Blizzard or NCsoft are bigger and powerful company… and they loose alot more money then Nexon.. but PS still exist.. and will exist.. and get the latest updates and everything.

    IMHO

    Posted on April 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am

  38. Iris Said,

    Blizzard doesn’t care about PS’s because they make enough money for it not to matter. :)

    Posted on April 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

  39. Tristan Said,

    “It’s disgraceful and reflects badly on yourselves and our generation as a whole. If you want the game to change, email NEXON, post on the forums, do what you can to change it if you want it that badly…Use your heads guys and act maturely for once.”

    Our generation? I don’t think you should have a say on how SOME PEOPLE reflect on a WHOLE generation of children all around the world. Oh, I want to change Maplestory very badly, and so do a lot of other people, but is it possible? Will posting on the forums help? No. It won’t. Face it, there are some things that You/Nexon can’t change. How dare you? How dare you call the people who once played Maplestory/THE REAL GAME immature? You have disrespected our generation as a whole and should not be throwing around comments as a top executive of Nexon. You have disgraced Nexon, Wizet, and Maplestory all together. “Mr. Korn also went on to say that they plan to crack down more on Private Servers and hackers.” Mr. Korn, can you be any more specific about anything? Oh yes, there is a way. But I am just not going to tell you for reasons unknown so I can sound more convincing.
    Many people are suffering, dying, and need help, and you contact the FBI for this?, “FBI so tell these children to warn their parents that the FBI may soon be paying them a visit.” Lloyd Corn, you hypocrite. You say that that they are “children” yet you feel so threatened that you have to call the FBI away from their federal duties over a game.

    Posted on April 6th, 2009 at 10:45 am

  40. Tristan Said,

    Please read Disappointed and Smiles AND my Post right above. :D

    Posted on April 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am

  41. Paladin Said,

    More info: apparently, NEXON are now able to and WILL sue PServers, for about $10k a file. A certain PServer has 1k+ files on it. Work it out, guys.

    Posted on April 9th, 2009 at 5:06 am

  42. Paladin Said,

    Whoops, my bad guys.
    It’s actually $100k each file.

    Posted on April 9th, 2009 at 5:39 am

  43. Axel Said,

    OMG I WANNA MEET AN FBI AGENT. GIMME LLOYD’S EMAIL I WANNA THREATEN HIM.

    Posted on April 13th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

  44. Mike Said,

    They are thinking that if they shut down every single private server, that the users will come back. Truth is Nexon, they won’t. They left because you ruined MapleStory Global. When Wizet ran the game they threw better events and a lot more 2x exp, but your company came along, bought the game, and then ruined it for all the users. You throw 2x exp maybe once a year and 2x drop more then anything. Thats never fun, you need to do what nexon did and throw some more 2x exp for extended periods of time. That might actually get users to come back and play your game. Think of the players for once, not your wallet. =/

    Posted on April 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

  45. Mike Said,

    You need to do what Wizet did* my fault. =|

    Posted on April 13th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

  46. Juju Said,

    Nexon, whats the point in being Jealous?
    you blame the privet servers for taking away players.
    When it should be Obvious that the only reason why the players left,
    was because there was nothing ever done, It got boring. you would spend your time
    killing monsters and hope for a level, and have to wait 2 weeks just to gain 1.
    There we’re No Gm’s ever on to answer our Questions, No events, the NPC’s Only did
    a small amount of problems and you have to pay so much for so little. The players Felt bored. And found a new way to have fun.
    Privet servers give you, Items you didn’t have to pay for, Double Exp/Drop Rates.
    Fun Gm’s that talk to you, and help you out. They always gave Events. The players we’re occupied. Why would they waste there time, Playing a game that took you over a year to get to level 200, When you can go on a privet server and play 1 day and get 200. you pass the buck, because you’re so blind to realize that if you had something worth on Maple Story Global then none of your players would of left. Change yourself, Or your Problem will never be fixed.

    Posted on April 13th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

  47. URNI Said,

    “Use your heads guys and act maturely for once.”

    so damn true.

    Posted on April 14th, 2009 at 8:05 am

  48. Jdizzy Said,

    Ok lloyd korn first of all i aint afraid of no FBI cuz i live in da Bahamas! and ill express one of the oldest and noblest of traditions slam the door and haul ass out of their! and although private servers might be illegal technically u created them because u created a bored player who wanted something better than ur sukish game! Look at the splinter in your i before u see the log in some1 elses asstards

    Posted on April 15th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

  49. AndyL Said,

    lloyd korn have all the rite to shut down a P-server period

    Posted on April 15th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

  50. Jdizzy Said,

    lloyd korn sux he is using the wrong methods to stop private servers! the letter he sent to hitsums to shut-down seemed to me more like a threat than a warning!

    Posted on April 16th, 2009 at 8:50 am

  51. DarkRenegade Said,

    I’ve played GMS for 4 years, im not in Nexon’s side, neither with PS, since i’ve had played PS of many games too, obviously Nexon have all the rights to take their property back, but im pretty sure that players that left MapleStory (the real one) had same reasons as many that want or have thought about leaving, the hackers, i wonder how many letters of hacked players did MapleStory’s staff had read… and hackers just keep growing their number and their methods and their engines… that must be frustating for people that really enjoy the game, besides, although its free, there is a way to spend money, the NX cards or paypal or credit card, well, this property might frustate some people too, because there are many players who can’t get NX, personally i can’t since i live in a city where NX cards aren’t on sale…

    So there are reasons for player wanting to play the game with a little beneficts( more exp, and easy-get cash items) can’t blame those players, and the attitude took by Nexon its the legally correct one, but maybe not the best… PS will be coming out/or staying underground… Nexon should take a different path… because PS are never ending.

    I am a medecine studiant, i don’t know how to code a game, i barely can use Visual Basic lol or C++ hahaha…. but i am a GMS player and a PS player (sorry)

    Please don’t take this as an offence

    If you want to contact me (only by e-mail ) darlord_88@hotmail.com (i dont use msn with this account )

    Posted on April 16th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

  52. NuckingFuts Said,

    If Nexon is so worried about losing money, why are they spending so much money trying to get private servers off the internet? This is a case where the rich keep getting richer, while the poor get poorer. It’s sad to think of all those kids spending hundreds of dollars to put pixelated clothes on little pictures in a game. Then after three months the clothes disappear. Money that could be spent on better things! My little brother sunk a lot of money on Nexon Cash Cards. I think it is a shame that Nexon takes money out of the hands of little kids to make their wallets bigger. Companies like this are the reason our economy is doing so bad. I am not supporting private servers, but I’m also not in support of Nexon, and will never download the game! Games are suppose to be fun, but having to pay to get “extra” benefits in a game takes that fun away. I can understand that it takes money to run a game like Maple Story, but why couldn’t they ask for donations instead? People seem to be donating to private servers, so I’m sure there are people who would donate to Nexon too.

    Posted on April 24th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

  53. Truth Said,

    ok WTF thats all i got to say NEXON is sueing 10 ~ 15 year old people, plus
    u can see they always say in there letter u have 24 hours to close down your server
    THATS A LOT OF B/S ill just close my server b4 he sends that letter then sue him from sending me that letter ( THREATNING ) that /\/th3r F|_|(K3r

    Posted on April 24th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

  54. mike Said,

    i actually agree with jdizzy on his 1st post

    Posted on April 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

  55. anon Said,

    The FBI does have a cyber-crime division. I have worked with them before regarding illegal internet activities. They aren’t as flashy as the agents who get to deal with terrorism or high crime, but they do exist, and there are a lot of them. Smart too. Don’t dismiss them, they have done some pretty good work.

    Posted on April 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

  56. Jdizzul Said,

    so anon dey still cant do shit to me cuz i live outside the unitedstates doe!

    Posted on April 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

  57. Iris Said,

    Is there not FBI, or an equivalent of some sort outside the United States?

    Posted on May 6th, 2009 at 11:03 am

  58. john d Said,

    Ok so the only thing I understand is the threatening situation. If maple story decides to publish something then they should understand that there will be someone to do something wrong. Private servers are just one of the examples of things that will happen always. NOONE on this earth will be able to stop all the private servers. There are millions of people out there who know how to code and millions of people who have the data to make private servers. If nexon wishes to stop private servers they should just stop the game because there will always be someone out there who WILL make a private server. If you do not believe me then look at the private server ranks. There are thousands. YES about an estimated 10 thousand. Let me ask…HOW will nexon be able to sue thousands and how the hell do they know who will make a new one. A new private server is made daily (or more) so the number is increasing. I think the nexon war is like buying fabric. Its nice. You can use it. BUT you can shred it, sew it, dye it. You bought it. Most people who have made private servers have bought NX anyways. Maybe if nexon raised the rates and made NX last forever then maybe more people would play. And to all the Private server hating kids. Guess what? Your probably just a jealous little boy or girl who are either too scared to go on one, dont know how, or your just a little goody too shoes who doesnt know what to think and lets other peoples ideas control you. So now heres the question…Do you think people who are playing private servers will go back to GMS? NO! They will find a new one even if the admin gets banned. So to nexon, let kids be kids and just stop giving us difficulty ’cause every day we get smarter and learn things that you adults have either out grown or havent foreseen. So lets just be realistic and stop the nonsense.

    Posted on May 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

  59. Austin Said,

    I find it laughable that Nexon is actually spending time dealing with private servers. If it’s hurting them that much as a company, then they obviously need to take a hint and change something.

    Posted on May 12th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

  60. Annonymous Said,

    Well Lloyd Korn mainly sends DMCA letters. Basically Copyright infringement letters concerning private server ad(s) and file(s). ALTHOUGH Hacks have nothing to do with DMCA and frankly, I’m quite tired of Lloyd Korn using DMCA as a hack killer when frankly it isn’t. DMCA just kill’s private servers, BUT only within certain countries that follow US Laws. If you host in Sweden, Nexon can’t touch you and Lloyd Korn, don’t even say you can when you can’t. Your just using Scare Tatics on these people and quite frankly, you Can’t make people pay $1,000.00 for hacking or even playing a private server since that is technically considered a “Punishment” which would not be enforced with your “Liquidation Damage(s)” so back off with that bull crap. The only way you can make us pay is if you have the actual proof of this so called “Damage” and the ‘correct’ amount of damage. Thus, I highly doubt you can “Accurately” gather the correct amount of damage and that means you can’t use it in court for your compensation get-a-way for your liquidation damage Charge in your ToS article 16.
    Even having a person “play” a private server and charging them is a punishment. You can’t even say that’s a compensation and don’t cover it up with non-sense.

    Good Luck trying to use your Liquidation Damage Get-a-way

    Posted on May 14th, 2009 at 6:25 am

  61. FuckYouNexon Said,

    Bring it.

    Posted on May 16th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

  62. John Said,

    Personally, I play a private server simply cause I can enjoy the same satisfaction with less time required.
    Think about it,
    after someone reaches level 200 or something, the sense of achievement is there, but only for awhile. What happens after that, he’ll be like, “What now?”
    the game stops short after that. Even with new content, it isnt that appealing anymore.
    And from my own experience, the communities in top private servers are much more mature.
    Because we know, that Nexon can’t change anything, simply cause of their selfish monetary needs. It IS a necessity in the business world, but if so many people are dissatisfied with its service, it will definitely lose out in the end.
    you sir, keep telling us to post our opinions on the forums etc.
    Did you think for one second that we didn’t.
    What did Nexon do about it? Zlich.
    Nexon simply dosen’t care about what we think cause they think we’re immature, just like
    you coporate freaks.
    Suing us isn’t going to help, it will only cause more people to leave Maplestory for good.
    Good move guys.

    Posted on May 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am

  63. RiiNooh Said,

    I myself enjoy private servers as I gain alot more in a short space of time which gives me more time to interact with other players which I think is a important part of the game. For example, playing MS global for 2 or 3 hours will not satisfy me as I will not feel like I achieved anything. Although in private servers I can play for 1 hour, and be able to explore, level and interact at the same time.

    I think that two of the factors that most players quit is because of the Exp Rates and the lack of socializing. When I used to play MS Global, I could not interact with others as I wanted to level up, so I missed many oppurtunites. Also, i’ve met many ‘ex-maplers’ who have said that Nexon does not interact with its players much. Yes, they might give us events but thats all. Whereas in private servers, the GMs are very much respected and listened to, as they have a good relationship with the community.

    As for the immature death threats, we cannot be certain they are from teenagers but only follow a sterotype that most teenagers are immature and arrogant, I am 14 and would never do something that idiotic. Also, I do not think that the FBI has enough time and resources to sue everyone who has sent a empty death threat out of angry. Lloyd has probably sent them another empty threat back to scare them off.

    All I can say is that this is an never ending cycle. If you close down ALL the private servers, there will probably be more in the future so the best thing for Nexon to do right now to ignore them and try to please the players they have left.

    Good luck Lloyd, you’ll need it

    Posted on May 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am

  64. John Said,

    agreed

    Posted on May 29th, 2009 at 7:10 am

  65. Tristan Said,

    high five john me too :P

    Posted on June 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

  66. poor anon Said,

    Iris Said,
    “Is there not FBI, or an equivalent of some sort outside the United States?”

    Yeah there is, but there is very little to nothing they can do if the emulated servers are located in places such as the Netherlands.

    In my opinion, Lloyd Korn uses a very immature approach towards emulated servers, he obviously calls the users “kids” and “immature kids” yet still wants them to fully take responsibility for their actions, like adults. You can’t call people kids yet treat them adults. This is very hypocritical. He also loves to flaunt his position in nexon. His oppressive approach towards the situation is simply immature.

    All this being said, i do not play private servers, nor have i ever done so before. I used to play GMS since its first release, and slowly drifted away as i saw that players who payed for NX Items with NX cash got this huge advantage. At first, Wizet said that ALL players would have an equal opportunity at success regardless of whether they pay or not. Things changed since then. I just think that Lloyd Korn needs a different approach towards the situation.

    Posted on June 7th, 2009 at 9:54 am

  67. Tony Said,

    korean malestory pwns >,< (i wish i was there) their nx is also better priced but when all the p servers are gone nexon better start giveing real updates and not cheap "NEW TITLE SYSTEM" …. if they dont do somthing im probably going back to WoW

    Posted on June 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 am

  68. Pissedmapler Said,

    Savage, I think we all know what happens when you try to reason with Nexon.

    They put their hands over their ears and scream the classic “LALALALALALAL-I’M NOT LISTENING!LALALALALALALAL!!!!11″

    Plus, why are you saying “you’re generation” and everything? Hello, if you’re not in our “generation” (AKA and adult), why the hell are you writing about Maplestory?

    Unless you’re a 60-year old man who stalks little boys. Then it would make sense.

    Posted on June 26th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

  69. Savage Said,

    Pissedmapler,

    You’re just beating a dead horse at this point. Nit-picking every little thing I say isn’t going to change the fact that our generation is full of a lot of disrespectful brats (like yourself).

    Oh, and for the record. I never said “your” generation, I said “our” generation. Read next time and brush up on your spelling before you shout a bunch of accusations.

    Posted on June 28th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

  70. Person Said,

    I, too, agree with the fact that Maplestory private servers should be closed all in all. In fact, at the moment, XtremeTop100 has deleted the links to all Maplestory private servers, making them inaccessible unless you Google them.

    But seriously, why take the FBI into this matter? It’s just a game. Threats aren’t even meant to true (at least most of them aren’t).

    Posted on July 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

  71. Person Said,

    Something I forgot to add:

    Lloyd Korn takes his comments very inaccurately. Most of the people who owned a private server knew how to work with it and develop and large community. They are not “kids” or “immature kids”, they are intelligent and smart. He’s possibly just overreacting to all the “private server” chaos.

    Posted on July 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm

  72. Dephon Said,

    I like how you made a reference to stealing music, but I don’t really see how it is relevant to this issue. A private server uses an emulator, created by people not affiliated with nexon or wizet whoever makes the game, to run a nexon like version of the game. I guess
    i’m also a musician never really thought of myself like that, but i don’t think your music has ever been stolen and anyones ever made money off of it. So truly you can’t honestly relate. Also like any lawyer Lloyd’s job is to do the legal work of whoever is paying him.
    Sorry if i got anything wrong… i don’t know too much about maplestory emulation.

    Posted on July 6th, 2009 at 2:43 am

  73. Anon Said,

    Does anyone know how to report a private server?

    Posted on July 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

  74. Person Said,

    @Anon: E-mail a Nexon employee (or Lloyd Korn himself) the name of the private server and the link, and he should take care of it.

    Posted on July 10th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

  75. Personn123 Said,

    There are many cons and pros with private servers and GMS.
    For example; Spending 15 months getting JUST TO level 45? 50? On regular maple, while on a private server you just spend minutes. Being able to have that “FEELING” of you’re really good is just refreshing to the young minds. But having your property stolen and modified, is also wrong.

    Posted on July 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

  76. h8nexon Said,

    Lol, Wow you guys are funny. Note: This is all lies. The FBI isn’t really working with nexon. Who are you guys trying to fool lol. I know private servers are illegal but look at nexon. They have tons of players already and making tons of money.

    World Of WarCraft and any of the other games don’t really care about private servers. Also about the threats you think its just kids who are sending threats. Nexon is sending threats to… Just because someone is running a illegal server doesn’t give nexon the right to send them threat emails, Phone calls.

    Also nexon is buging peoples computers which is a serious violation. Making a private server is breaking 1 rule. Nexon breaks 100 rules just to stop them.

    Thier not gonna get thier players back so its no point. Thier doing this for no reason. I don’t want u noob to reply to this and say ur blah blah blah blah blah that i don’t care about

    Note: If your one of those grammer geaks please don’t reply and say “Wow look at ur grammer” idc about grammer…

    Posted on July 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

  77. Anonymous Said,

    Lol, Savage, you don’t have to be such a suck-up to Nexon. Where’s your pride?

    Posted on July 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

  78. konpwns Said,

    Ugh. Some of these comments just make my head hurt. I’ve played Private Servers before, and I ended up going back to gMS. Private servers are illegal in any case. And to all those people who keep saying that it’s all a lie, OdinMS was actually taken to court if my memory serves me correct.

    Posted on August 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

  79. Savage Said,

    @Anonymous

    I’m not sucking up to Lloyd Korn. Everyone is extremely biased towards Nexon and I felt that the other side needed to be shown as well. Plus, if you get a chance to talk with Nexon what are you going to say, “Screw off?” Only an idiot would do that.

    Keep in mind we are a MapleStory fansite NOT a private server. Our goal isn’t to destroy Nexon.

    Posted on August 6th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

  80. Andrew Said,

    Wow nexon is so greedy :[

    Posted on August 13th, 2009 at 2:43 am

  81. kittywhisper Said,

    All everyone is saying is not going to change anything.
    Money is the bottom line, nobody gives a fuck about anything that doesent increase
    profit.
    R.I.P Carestory. The murderer: Greedy asians.

    Posted on August 13th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

  82. Jacob Said,

    I like how the FBI doesn’t deal with internet harassment LOL . Nor do they deal with internet harassment from a foreign country. My father works for the FBI and he told me this personally ” Tell the little kid named lloyd to call his local police and grow some balls”

    Go to ragezone and go to the maplestory section then find the stickied thread named “nexon at it again” to see how much of a dumbass lloyd really is .

    Posted on August 19th, 2009 at 9:51 am

  83. kyle Said,

    taking in all of the comments from both sides of the table it is getting more and more clear that nexon is just a bunch of childeren playing god, and that private servers are just the rebeliant groupe trying to shape a better world of gaming. sure it may be illegal, but one way or another if it changes Global MS then its worth it. I am a user of both private servers and globalMS and its very true that the community in global sucks arse compaired to the comunity of pservers. and i dont think pservers are decreasing globals profit at all. considering how shit global is its losing itself profit and theres no arguement that can prove otherwise. people who resort to pservers are those who more then likely were about to quit maple all together and were just looking for one last glimpse of hope before quiting a game that they used to love so much. it may be so that pservers are illegal, but instead of shutting them down why doesnt nexon become allys with a few of the higher rates pservers, charging them a small % of profit from donations rather then destroying them all together.

    if maple can manage to team up with a few of the strongre pservers they wont have to complain because we ALL know its about the money, and this way there not spending money on lawsuets trying to shut them down, there getting back a little of what they lost from driving away there players, AND there giving people the oporunity to try something different.
    i mean seriously maplestory makes enough money as it is to stay in business for a very very long time, so why complain about something that others have done better. its just like someone inventing a pistol for the first time and then sueing the person who expanded and made a rifle or cannon.

    nexon needs to htfu and realise that instead of losing money they can do something better about it, even if it isnt changing global maple wich will probably never happen. but to get more to the point….The world of online gaming is changing to a pserver based existance, and it should be realised that rather then trying to stop it ebracing it may is by far the smarter way.

    Posted on August 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm

  84. Sefron Said,

    honestly i think global is more fun than private servers. Global is more of a challenge when private servers r just like W00t im lvl 200 in a min. Even servers with 2x exp or 20x exp is still a waste of time i mean theres only about 500 ppl that accually got lvl 200 up 2 this day on global and everyone on those private servers has gotten lvl200 over 500 times.

    Sincerly my thoughts, Sefron, from Khania

    Posted on August 26th, 2009 at 6:54 am

  85. Dissidia Said,

    Lloyd Korn sounds just like the kind of arrogant, rude guy that all children come to dislike.
    I hold my opinion when I say that Lloyd Korn is more immature than most of the children I have ever met.

    Posted on August 26th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

  86. Logic? Said,

    I believe that what Lloyd is doing is DOING WHAT HE IS PAID TO DO.
    He doesn’t do it just to be an asshole or to break children’s dreams.
    Lloyd is just a lawyer doing what he is told to do and i respect him.
    and i DO like private servers and i have run one (i don’t anymore).
    And i’m not mad at Nexon either. Nexon just wants their players.

    Lloyd is a normal person. works, gets paid, most likely has a family.
    Lloyd does dig deep into his work but, that’s what give’s him a high chance that he will be keeping his job and making more money to support hinself/family.

    if you want to talk to me about this comment just email me : dragongt42@gmail.com

    thank you for reading

    ,Dylan

    Posted on September 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

  87. Logic? Said,

    Oh sorry i left out that Nexon does want their profits witch they are loosing
    more players = more potential nx cash buyers.

    ,Dylan

    Posted on September 7th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

  88. Msea Dude Said,

    oh yeah sure GMS sux…but i think death threats are going too far

    Posted on September 30th, 2009 at 2:57 am

  89. LloydSucksPenis Said,

    LAWL

    Posted on October 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 am

  90. Jack Hobbit Said,

    Private servers are an emulation of the game. These are legal within reason of the law. “And to all those people who keep saying that it’s all a lie, OdinMS was actually taken to court if my memory serves me correct.” Oh please. OdinMS where taken to court due to client modification, they did not have anything against the server.

    Posted on November 5th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

  91. Wind Said,

    Jack, actually, although I’d like to agree with you, private servers are against the law. The laws regarding copyright shows that even if a private server was making no-profit and etc, the fact remains is that that OdinMs is a modified product of Maplestory (and therefore it got sued T_T)

    Funny thing is, OdinMs is still fight as we speak o.o

    Posted on November 5th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

  92. Anonymous Said,

    MapleStory used to be so fun! Now, all these newcomers are getting advantages. People who have sat in front of a computer screen for more than, probably, 10 hours a day to level, can now level in 1 hour?! I know that’s a bad comparison, but with all these new quests and whatnot, I feel higher levels are getting cheated. Like for instance, the new worlds in MapleStory, 2x exp a week and you can get to level 100+! Plus, the old times in Maplestory were better. Marketing your items in Perion, and everybody looking the same, was the life. Isn’t Maplestory supposed to be a good influence on kids? Kids paying money to make their pixelated characters prettier or whatever.
    people choose private servers.. because
    1. they want to make their character better
    2. level faster
    3. rid of the idiotic jerks who think they are “better” because they have NX (this doesn’t apply to all of the nexon cash users, but the majority of the people who do have them.)

    anecdote: someone called me an offensive word because I looked normal and had no NX and told me I was ugly and that I couldn’t afford money. MAPLESTORY IS RIDDING CHILDREN OF THEIR LIVES AND CHILDHOOD! STOP THE MADNESSS!!! RANT RANT RANT [ I DELVED OFF TOPIC] KGNDKGNDKN RAAAAAANNNNNNTTTTT

    Posted on November 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

  93. Wind Said,

    Hey, Anonymous, I know how you feel about the newcomers getting to lvl120 within months because of powerleveling and such T_T.

    But, its unnatural for an MMORPG to not turn like this. The less-known a MMORPG is, generally the better community (in my opinion). Since Maplestory got more popular, there’s obviously gonna be more illegal and faster ways to get stuff (ex: powerleveling & buying mesos)

    Without the modern day “hene hoes”, Maplestory would’ve set the world record for the first ever MMORPG not turning into the capitalist based world which we call real life.

    Posted on November 13th, 2009 at 2:05 am

  94. Zackkehh Said,

    Uhm what if they say like “All rights are reserved” or somthing. what will happen to them still?

    Posted on December 8th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

  95. NOTLLOYDCORN Said,

    Yes.

    Posted on January 8th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

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